@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: well, she couldn’t shoot herself in her head cuz of all them extensions unless she has weapons’ah mass destruction… but her lil fashion accessory called a "dog" could bring big bucks at an auction for tha PETA foundation. what’s yer pernt, anyways?
Isn’t it a monkey these days? Or a ferret? I’m pretty sure I heard that her monkey attacked her.. hehehe .oO(Pity it didn’t shit in its hand and throw it at her) (gosh I’m mean 
) Zoe — What you don’t own a rat? What kind of freak are you?
Paris Hilton not only could commit suicide, she should.
I guess I must be really out of it, because I had not heard that Ms. Hilton committed suicide. It is always sad to see a preventable outcome like that reach completion. Gary
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – @f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: well, she couldn’t shoot herself in her head cuz of all them extensions unless she has weapons’ah mass destruction… but her lil fashion accessory called a "dog" could bring big bucks at an auction for tha PETA foundation. what’s yer pernt, anyways? Isn’t it a monkey these days? Or a ferret? I’m pretty sure I heard that her monkey attacked her.. hehehe .oO(Pity it didn’t shit in its hand and throw it at her) (gosh I’m mean ) Zoe — What you don’t own a rat? What kind of freak are you?
http://novus-ordo-seclorum.us/ Suicide Could Paris Hilton kill her self
well, she couldn’t shoot herself in her head cuz of all them extensions unless she has weapons’ah mass destruction… but her lil fashion accessory called a "dog" could bring big bucks at an auction for tha PETA foundation. what’s yer pernt, anyways?
Please stop cross posting
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The order, Anyone with an negative opinion about suicide should F off. Wow, the o-r-d-e-r. What is this bullshit pompus asshole trying to say? What’s this facination with death, as if suicide is unnatural? Get a grip, these people are gone. Sorry to the family and friends. Could they change things? The choice is with the individual. No one should judge or control. What about the decline of Western and Eastern society? What about morals? What about chemicals? What about aberated parenting? What about ignorance? What about harsh realities of living? What about survival of the fittest? What about Karma? What about providence of self decision? What about disease? What about pain and suffering? What’s the point? The world is too busy to care? The world is f’ed-up? Suicide is wrong? Someone should do something? Put suicide in perspective of the World Death; http://www.who.int/research/en/ World Population: 6.3 billion World Annual Deaths: 56,000,000 per year World Death Rate: 88.5 per 10,000 Suicide Death Rate: 1.3 per 10,000 World Health Organization: Suicide 873,000 people die by suicide. Statistics: 80% of suicides completed after previous attempts. 450 Million people are affected by mental illness. . The global mortality rate due to suicide is 16 per 100,000. In the last 45 years suicide rates are up 60% Suicidals don’t want to die, but simply want a way to escape an unbearable situation World Abortion Statistics: 47,840,000 deaths annually due to abortion services. There are approximately 46 million abortions conducted each year, 20 million of them obtained illegally. 51% of women who are unmarried when they become pregnant will receive an abortion. 100 % of abortions result in the death of the fetus. 1,840,000 deaths of the mother worldwide 4% mortality due to abortion surgery. http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat8.htm Homicide Statistics: 8.5 million murders worldwide, 1900-1999 Natural Disaters: 3.5 Million 1900-2000 War Dead 20th Century: Lives deliberately extinguished by politically motivated carnage": 167,000,000 to 175,000,000 Including: War Dead: 87,500,000 Military war dead: 33,500,000 Civilian war dead: 54,000,000 Not-war Dead: 80,000,000 Communist oppression: 60,000,000 "Democides" – Government inflicted deaths (1900-87) : 169,198,000 Death by Government Man Made Famine: 44,000,000 Deaths by Communism: 92 Million Deaths by non-Communism: 96 Million Racism: 3.3 Million in US 20th Century Deaths: 4,126,000,000 Man Made: 185,000,000 Cause of death 2002 by Age: http://www.nsc.org/lrs/statinfo/odds.htm Are we not desensitized to death? shitstump
The order, Anyone with an negative opinion about suicide should F off. Wow, the o-r-d-e-r. What is this bullshit pompus asshole trying to say? What’s this facination with death, as if suicide is unnatural? Get a grip, these people are gone. Sorry to the family and friends. Could they change things? The choice is with the individual. No one should judge or control. What about the decline of Western and Eastern society? What about morals? What about chemicals? What about aberated parenting? What about ignorance? What about harsh realities of living? What about survival of the fittest? What about Karma? What about providence of self decision? What about disease? What about pain and suffering? What’s the point? The world is too busy to care? The world is f’ed-up? Suicide is wrong? Someone should do something? Put suicide in perspective of the World Death; http://www.who.int/research/en/ World Population: 6.3 billion World Annual Deaths: 56,000,000 per year World Death Rate: 88.5 per 10,000 Suicide Death Rate: 1.3 per 10,000 World Health Organization: Suicide 873,000 people die by suicide. Statistics: 80% of suicides completed after previous attempts. 450 Million people are affected by mental illness. . The global mortality rate due to suicide is 16 per 100,000. In the last 45 years suicide rates are up 60% Suicidals don’t want to die, but simply want a way to escape an unbearable situation World Abortion Statistics: 47,840,000 deaths annually due to abortion services. There are approximately 46 million abortions conducted each year, 20 million of them obtained illegally. 51% of women who are unmarried when they become pregnant will receive an abortion. 100 % of abortions result in the death of the fetus. 1,840,000 deaths of the mother worldwide 4% mortality due to abortion surgery. http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat8.htm Homicide Statistics: 8.5 million murders worldwide, 1900-1999 Natural Disaters: 3.5 Million 1900-2000 War Dead 20th Century: Lives deliberately extinguished by politically motivated carnage": 167,000,000 to 175,000,000 Including: War Dead: 87,500,000 Military war dead: 33,500,000 Civilian war dead: 54,000,000 Not-war Dead: 80,000,000 Communist oppression: 60,000,000 "Democides" – Government inflicted deaths (1900-87) : 169,198,000 Death by Government Man Made Famine: 44,000,000 Deaths by Communism: 92 Million Deaths by non-Communism: 96 Million Racism: 3.3 Million in US 20th Century Deaths: 4,126,000,000 Man Made: 185,000,000 Cause of death 2002 by Age: http://www.nsc.org/lrs/statinfo/odds.htm Are we not desensitized to death? shitstump
She’ll kill herself when people stop being fascinated with her. Maybe another 10 years.
I hope not, but I fear you’re right : (
No big loss to society.
Paris Hilton is way too narcissistic and self absorbed to consider taking her own life. She don’t care that her life is pointless, as long as she has plenty of attention, money, clothes, and drugs she’s content, I’m sure.
Paris Hilton would NEVER even think of suicide. She is a spoiled rotten child of excess and has grown up with so much ego and lack of caring about anything except herself. Years back she hired a specialist to train her to properly pose to get the best picture for paparazzi. They love her because she is always willing to get her picture taken and look at her and she is always posing for them. It’s sad that with her wealth that her claim to fame is dancing on the tables of clubs drunk and living her life in clubs.
Who knows, maybe she will think about it as shes gets lifestyle begins to pall and take it’s toll. Imagine never knowing whether people liked you for you, or your money. Yes, as she ages she can have all the surgery etc she wants and patch up the outside. I know people who are fairly (not massively) wealthy and all their money cannot fill the holes in their soul, or disguise the fact that theirs is essentially an empty, precarious existence. A lot of them do end up thrill seeking and taking drugs and essentially it becomes a downward spiral.
http://novus-ordo-seclorum.us/ Suicide Could Paris Hilton kill her self What is the face of suicide? You have people who are poor and broke. You have people who are rich and famous. People who have more money than God, people who can go anywhere in the world and do anything they want. You have people with cancer or other medical problems. You also have a lot and I do mean a lot of kids from 12 to 18, you commit suicide because they are man fun of or bullied at school. I shall remember forever and will never forget. Monday: my money was taken. Tuesday: names called. Wednesday: my uniform torn. Thursday: my body pouring with blood. Friday: it’s ended. Saturday: freedom. The final diary pages of 13-year-old Vijay Singh. He was found hanging from the banister rail at his home on Sunday. So what is the face of suicide? Could Paris Hilton kill her self? Yes, anyone could. Rich, poor , young, or old anyone could. People say not me , never me. Not anyone in my family, not anyone of my friends, but anyone could. We are all human. We all can be hurt and feel pain. Some people see no end to there pain. Some people do not want to hurt anymore, and see suicide as the only way to end their pain. And all those people thinking about suicide. They are many websites and newsgroups where they can find. Countless number of ways to commit suicide. Things like what pills to take and how to get them. 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. They are people who are happy and ready to help you commit suicide. These people have a sense of pride and feel what they are doing is nobel. You can find these nobel people in newsgroups like alt . suicide . holiday which is also called ASH, and alt.suicide.methods . And many other places on the net. "In absentia luci, tenebrae vinciunt" (In absence of light, darkness prevails) Mariette Hartley’s father killed himself. Gloria Vanderbilt’s son Carter killed himself. Courtney Love’s husband Kurt Cobain killed himself. Actor David Spade’s stepfather killed himself. CNN Founder Ted Turner’s father committed suicide. Author Danielle Steele’s son killed himself. Patrick Swayze’s sister committed suicide. Willie Nelson’s son killed himself. Judy Collins’ son took his own life. Margaux Hemingway granddaughter of Ernest Hemingway committed suicide with an overdose of pills on 2nd. July 1996. This was the anniversary of Ernest Hemingway’s own suicide. Clara Blandick – actress (Auntie Em in The Wizard of Oz) sleeping pills, with a plastic bag tied over her head. She was 81-years-old and suffering from crippling arthritis. Ray Combs – talk show host (Family Feud) hanged himself with bed sheets in his hospital room at Glendale Adventist Hospital while on a 72-hour "suicide watch." Twelve-year-old schoolboy Stephen Woodhall hanged himself with his brother’s school tie rather than face bullying by the school bullies for another day. "He must have been going through hell," his father, Ken, said. Later, forty-seven-year-old Kenneth Woodhall also hanged himself. He had never got over the hanging suicide five years earlier of his son Stephen. 8 April 2002: Emmet Fralick, a 14-year-old pupil at St. Agnes School in Halifax, Nova Scotia, shot himself in his bedroom because he was being bullied by classmates. Emmet was regarded as a quiet boy with a reputation for kindness to others. 20 October 2002: 15-year-old Greg Doucette was so tormented about his acne by bullies at Notre Dame Secondary School in the Heart Lake district of north Brampton, Toronto, Canada, that he hanged himself in the basement of his home. 17 April 2003: 15-year-old Sarah Harrison from Mapperley in Nottinghamshire, England, hanged herself at a Nottingham children’s home after enduring months of bullying. Sarah had wanted to be a model. http://novus-ordo-seclorum.us/
Jack Kelly: No shame The federal response to Katrina was not as portrayed Sunday, September 11, 2005 It is settled wisdom among journalists that the federal response to the devastation wrought by Hurricane Katrina was unconscionably slow. Jack Kelly is national security writer for the Post-Gazette and "Mr. Bush’s performance last week will rank as one of the worst ever during a dire national emergency," wrote New York Times columnist Bob Herbert in a somewhat more strident expression of the conventional wisdom. But the conventional wisdom is the opposite of the truth. Jason van Steenwyk is a Florida Army National Guardsman who has been mobilized six times for hurricane relief. He notes that: "The federal government pretty much met its standard time lines, but the volume of support provided during the 72-96 hour was unprecedented. The federal response here was faster than Hugo, faster than Andrew, faster than Iniki, faster than Francine and Jeanne." For instance, it took five days for National Guard troops to arrive in strength on the scene in Homestead, Fla. after Hurricane Andrew hit in 1992. But after Katrina, there was a significant National Guard presence in the afflicted region in three. Journalists who are long on opinions and short on knowledge have no idea what is involved in moving hundreds of tons of relief supplies into an area the size of England in which power lines are down, telecommunications are out, no gasoline is available, bridges are damaged, roads and airports are covered with debris, and apparently have little interest in finding out. So they libel as a "national disgrace" the most monumental and successful disaster relief operation in world history. I write this column a week and a day after the main levee protecting New Orleans breached. In the course of that week: More than 32,000 people have been rescued, many plucked from rooftops by Coast Guard helicopters. The Army Corps of Engineers has all but repaired the breaches and begun pumping water out of New Orleans. Shelter, food and medical care have been provided to more than 180,000 refugees. Journalists complain that it took a whole week to do this. A former Air Force logistics officer had some words of advice for us in the Fourth Estate on his blog, Moltenthought: "We do not yet have teleporter or replicator technology like you saw on ‘Star Trek’ in college between hookah hits and waiting to pick up your worthless communications degree while the grown-ups actually engaged in the recovery effort were studying engineering. "The United States military can wipe out the Taliban and the Iraqi Republican Guard far more swiftly than they can bring 3 million Swanson dinners to an underwater city through an area the size of Great Britain which has no power, no working ports or airports, and a devastated and impassable road network. "You cannot speed recovery and relief efforts up by prepositioning assets (in the affected areas) since the assets are endangered by the very storm which destroyed the region. "No amount of yelling, crying and mustering of moral indignation will change any of the facts above." "You cannot just snap your fingers and make the military appear somewhere," van Steenwyk said. Guardsmen need to receive mobilization orders; report to their armories; draw equipment; receive orders and convoy to the disaster area. Guardsmen driving down from Pennsylvania or Navy ships sailing from Norfolk can’t be on the scene immediately. Relief efforts must be planned. Other than prepositioning supplies near the area likely to be afflicted (which was done quite efficiently), this cannot be done until the hurricane has struck and a damage assessment can be made. There must be a route reconnaissance to determine if roads are open, and bridges along the way can bear the weight of heavily laden trucks. And federal troops and Guardsmen from other states cannot be sent to a disaster area until their presence has been requested by the governors of the afflicted states. Exhibit A on the bill of indictment of federal sluggishness is that it took four days before most people were evacuated from the Louisiana Superdome. The levee broke Tuesday morning. Buses had to be rounded up and driven from Houston to New Orleans across debris-strewn roads. The first ones arrived Wednesday evening. That seems pretty fast to me. A better question — which few journalists ask — is why weren’t the roughly 2,000 municipal and school buses in New Orleans utilized to take people out of the city before Katrina struck? begin 666 blurbrule.gif 7M)Z L]Z^P^&XDB6YIE9ZLJV[ML4`#L` ` end begin 666 dot.gif ` end
Bizarre Sex Habits of The Extreme Right-Wing Anti-abortion extremist Neal Horsley was a guest on The Alan Colmes Show, a FOX News radio program. The topic was an interesting one - whether or not an internet service provider should allow Horsley to post the names of abortion doctors on his website. Horsley does that as a way of targeting them and one doctor has been killed. In the course of the interview, however, Colmes asked Horsley about his background, including a statement that he had admitted to engaging in homosexual and bestiality sex. At first, Horsley laughed and said, "Just because it's printed in the media, people jump to believe it." "Is it true?" Colmes asked. "Hey, Alan, if you want to accuse me of having sex when I was a fool, I did everything that crossed my mind that looked like I..." AC: "You had sex with animals?" NH: "Absolutely. I was a fool. When you grow up on a farm in Georgia, your first girlfriend is a mule." AC: "I'm not so sure that that is so." NH: "You didn't grow up on a farm in Georgia, did you?" AC: "Are you suggesting that everybody who grows up on a farm in Georgia has a mule as a girlfriend?" NH: It has historically been the case. You people are so far removed from the reality... Welcome to domestic life on the farm..." Colmes said he thought there were a lot of people in the audience who grew up on farms, are living on farms now, raising kids on farms and "and I don't think they are dating Elsie right now. You know what I'm saying?" Horsley said, "You experiment with anything that moves when you are growing up sexually. You're naive. You know better than that... If it's warm and it's damp and it vibrates you might in fact have sex with it." In addition to Horsley, Colmes has recently interviewed Randall Terry another radical anti-abortionist and anti-gay activist. In the middle of an otherwise serious interview, Terry began joking - apropos of nothing - that he and Colmes were ex-lovers. Another extremist interviewed by Colmes not too long ago was Rev. Fred Phelps who stated on the show that he thought the death penalty should be given for those who engage in "sodomy." When Colmes asked Phelps if he had ever engaged in gay sex, Phelps blustered but never said no. Hmm, I'm beginning to sense a pattern here. Come to think of it, Ann Coulter is reputed to have an unusually, er, wide-ranging sex life, too, though as far as I know it's just confined to men. Still, it doesn't exactly match the profile of an ultra-conservative. 8/25/05 UPDATE Former Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris joined the Bizarre Sex Habits club recently when she shook her boobies on Hannity & Colmes. Standing sideways throughout the interview (when was the last time you saw a politician do that?), if she wasn't trying to show off her - um - physical assets, then she must have a very unusual case of Tourette's Syndrome affecting her chest only.
Jason van Steenwyk is a Florida Army National Guardsman who has been mobilized six times for hurricane relief.
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did courageously avow: - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -Bizarre Sex Habits of The Extreme Right-Wing Anti-abortion extremist Neal Horsley was a guest on The Alan Colmes Show, a FOX News radio program. The topic was an interesting one - whether or not an internet service provider should allow Horsley to post the names of abortion doctors on his website. Horsley does that as a way of targeting them and one doctor has been killed. In the course of the interview, however, Colmes asked Horsley about his background, including a statement that he had admitted to engaging in homosexual and bestiality sex. At first, Horsley laughed and said, "Just because it's printed in the media, people jump to believe it." "Is it true?" Colmes asked. "Hey, Alan, if you want to accuse me of having sex when I was a fool, I did everything that crossed my mind that looked like I..." AC: "You had sex with animals?" NH: "Absolutely. I was a fool. When you grow up on a farm in Georgia, your first girlfriend is a mule." AC: "I'm not so sure that that is so." NH: "You didn't grow up on a farm in Georgia, did you?" AC: "Are you suggesting that everybody who grows up on a farm in Georgia has a mule as a girlfriend?" NH: It has historically been the case. You people are so far removed from the reality... Welcome to domestic life on the farm..." Colmes said he thought there were a lot of people in the audience who grew up on farms, are living on farms now, raising kids on farms and "and I don't think they are dating Elsie right now. You know what I'm saying?" Horsley said, "You experiment with anything that moves when you are growing up sexually. You're naive. You know better than that... If it's warm and it's damp and it vibrates you might in fact have sex with it." In addition to Horsley, Colmes has recently interviewed Randall Terry another radical anti-abortionist and anti-gay activist. In the middle of an otherwise serious interview, Terry began joking - apropos of nothing - that he and Colmes were ex-lovers. Another extremist interviewed by Colmes not too long ago was Rev. Fred Phelps who stated on the show that he thought the death penalty should be given for those who engage in "sodomy." When Colmes asked Phelps if he had ever engaged in gay sex, Phelps blustered but never said no. Hmm, I'm beginning to sense a pattern here. Come to think of it, Ann Coulter is reputed to have an unusually, er, wide-ranging sex life, too, though as far as I know it's just confined to men. Still, it doesn't exactly match the profile of an ultra-conservative.
My condolences to the men. 8/25/05 UPDATE Former Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris joined the Bizarre Sex Habits club recently when she shook her boobies on Hannity & Colmes. Standing sideways throughout the interview (when was the last time you saw a politician do that?), if she wasn't trying to show off her - um - physical assets, then she must have a very unusual case of Tourette's Syndrome affecting her chest only.
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What is going down right now makes the Berlin Airlift look like a model airplane race. These leftoids are *ridiculous*. Losers! LV - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - Jack Kelly: No shame The federal response to Katrina was not as portrayed Sunday, September 11, 2005 It is settled wisdom among journalists that the federal response to the devastation wrought by Hurricane Katrina was unconscionably slow. Jack Kelly is national security writer for the Post-Gazette and "Mr. Bush's performance last week will rank as one of the worst ever during a dire national emergency," wrote New York Times columnist Bob Herbert in a somewhat more strident expression of the conventional wisdom. But the conventional wisdom is the opposite of the truth. Jason van Steenwyk is a Florida Army National Guardsman who has been mobilized six times for hurricane relief. He notes that: "The federal government pretty much met its standard time lines, but the volume of support provided during the 72-96 hour was unprecedented. The federal response here was faster than Hugo, faster than Andrew, faster than Iniki, faster than Francine and Jeanne." For instance, it took five days for National Guard troops to arrive in strength on the scene in Homestead, Fla. after Hurricane Andrew hit in 1992. But after Katrina, there was a significant National Guard presence in the afflicted region in three. Journalists who are long on opinions and short on knowledge have no idea what is involved in moving hundreds of tons of relief supplies into an area the size of England in which power lines are down, telecommunications are out, no gasoline is available, bridges are damaged, roads and airports are covered with debris, and apparently have little interest in finding out. So they libel as a "national disgrace" the most monumental and successful disaster relief operation in world history. I write this column a week and a day after the main levee protecting New Orleans breached. In the course of that week: More than 32,000 people have been rescued, many plucked from rooftops by Coast Guard helicopters. The Army Corps of Engineers has all but repaired the breaches and begun pumping water out of New Orleans. Shelter, food and medical care have been provided to more than 180,000 refugees. Journalists complain that it took a whole week to do this. A former Air Force logistics officer had some words of advice for us in the Fourth Estate on his blog, Moltenthought: "We do not yet have teleporter or replicator technology like you saw on 'Star Trek' in college between hookah hits and waiting to pick up your worthless communications degree while the grown-ups actually engaged in the recovery effort were studying engineering. "The United States military can wipe out the Taliban and the Iraqi Republican Guard far more swiftly than they can bring 3 million Swanson dinners to an underwater city through an area the size of Great Britain which has no power, no working ports or airports, and a devastated and impassable road network. "You cannot speed recovery and relief efforts up by prepositioning assets (in the affected areas) since the assets are endangered by the very storm which destroyed the region. "No amount of yelling, crying and mustering of moral indignation will change any of the facts above." "You cannot just snap your fingers and make the military appear somewhere," van Steenwyk said. Guardsmen need to receive mobilization orders; report to their armories; draw equipment; receive orders and convoy to the disaster area. Guardsmen driving down from Pennsylvania or Navy ships sailing from Norfolk can't be on the scene immediately. Relief efforts must be planned. Other than prepositioning supplies near the area likely to be afflicted (which was done quite efficiently), this cannot be done until the hurricane has struck and a damage assessment can be made. There must be a route reconnaissance to determine if roads are open, and bridges along the way can bear the weight of heavily laden trucks. And federal troops and Guardsmen from other states cannot be sent to a disaster area until their presence has been requested by the governors of the afflicted states. Exhibit A on the bill of indictment of federal sluggishness is that it took four days before most people were evacuated from the Louisiana Superdome. The levee broke Tuesday morning. Buses had to be rounded up and driven from Houston to New Orleans across debris-strewn roads. The first ones arrived Wednesday evening. That seems pretty fast to me. A better question -- which few journalists ask -- is why weren't the roughly 2,000 municipal and school buses in New Orleans utilized to take people out of the city before Katrina struck? [Image] [Image]
PLAAAAARRRRSSSHHHHH! LV
What insight! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jack Kelly: No shame The federal response to Katrina was not as portrayed Sunday, September 11, 2005 It is settled wisdom among journalists that the federal response to the devastation wrought by Hurricane Katrina was unconscionably slow. Jack Kelly is national security writer for the Post-Gazette and "Mr. Bush’s performance last week will rank as one of the worst ever during a dire national emergency," wrote New York Times columnist Bob Herbert in a somewhat more strident expression of the conventional wisdom. But the conventional wisdom is the opposite of the truth. Jason van Steenwyk is a Florida Army National Guardsman who has been mobilized six times for hurricane relief. He notes that: "The federal government pretty much met its standard time lines, but the volume of support provided during the 72-96 hour was unprecedented. The federal response here was faster than Hugo, faster than Andrew, faster than Iniki, faster than Francine and Jeanne." For instance, it took five days for National Guard troops to arrive in strength on the scene in Homestead, Fla. after Hurricane Andrew hit in 1992. But after Katrina, there was a significant National Guard presence in the afflicted region in three. Journalists who are long on opinions and short on knowledge have no idea what is involved in moving hundreds of tons of relief supplies into an area the size of England in which power lines are down, telecommunications are out, no gasoline is available, bridges are damaged, roads and airports are covered with debris, and apparently have little interest in finding out. So they libel as a "national disgrace" the most monumental and successful disaster relief operation in world history. I write this column a week and a day after the main levee protecting New Orleans breached. In the course of that week: More than 32,000 people have been rescued, many plucked from rooftops by Coast Guard helicopters. The Army Corps of Engineers has all but repaired the breaches and begun pumping water out of New Orleans. Shelter, food and medical care have been provided to more than 180,000 refugees. Journalists complain that it took a whole week to do this. A former Air Force logistics officer had some words of advice for us in the Fourth Estate on his blog, Moltenthought: "We do not yet have teleporter or replicator technology like you saw on ‘Star Trek’ in college between hookah hits and waiting to pick up your worthless communications degree while the grown-ups actually engaged in the recovery effort were studying engineering. "The United States military can wipe out the Taliban and the Iraqi Republican Guard far more swiftly than they can bring 3 million Swanson dinners to an underwater city through an area the size of Great Britain which has no power, no working ports or airports, and a devastated and impassable road network. "You cannot speed recovery and relief efforts up by prepositioning assets (in the affected areas) since the assets are endangered by the very storm which destroyed the region. "No amount of yelling, crying and mustering of moral indignation will change any of the facts above." "You cannot just snap your fingers and make the military appear somewhere," van Steenwyk said. Guardsmen need to receive mobilization orders; report to their armories; draw equipment; receive orders and convoy to the disaster area. Guardsmen driving down from Pennsylvania or Navy ships sailing from Norfolk can’t be on the scene immediately. Relief efforts must be planned. Other than prepositioning supplies near the area likely to be afflicted (which was done quite efficiently), this cannot be done until the hurricane has struck and a damage assessment can be made. There must be a route reconnaissance to determine if roads are open, and bridges along the way can bear the weight of heavily laden trucks. And federal troops and Guardsmen from other states cannot be sent to a disaster area until their presence has been requested by the governors of the afflicted states. Exhibit A on the bill of indictment of federal sluggishness is that it took four days before most people were evacuated from the Louisiana Superdome. The levee broke Tuesday morning. Buses had to be rounded up and driven from Houston to New Orleans across debris-strewn roads. The first ones arrived Wednesday evening. That seems pretty fast to me. A better question — which few journalists ask — is why weren’t the roughly 2,000 municipal and school buses in New Orleans utilized to take people out of the city before Katrina struck? [Image] [Image]
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LV: Fnarp? LV’sFC: Damn, Boss – that was a bit on the tentative side. You OK? More?
I read it was the equivalent of europe being wasted. If that is true then how could you possibly blame locals for not having the resource to respond. If that is true then we have now seen how our government – whose leader ran on the platform of being the one to protect America – delivers the goods and executes the "plan". The plan is blame the locals, give contracts to your friends, make sure the locals don’t get paid prevailing wage so your friends’ profits really rock, out source security to your friends’ companies. Rake in those campaign contributions while resettling Democratic voters to red states. Take their real property through foreclosure or "takings."
Looks like President Bush disagrees with you: "Katrina exposed serious problems in our response capability at all levels of government," Bush said when asked about the federal response at a White House news conference with the president of Iraq. "To the extent the federal government didn’t fully do its job right, I take responsibility," he said. "I want to know what went right and what went wrong."
LV: Fnarp?
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courageously avow: Looks like President Bush disagrees with you: "Katrina exposed serious problems in our response capability at all levels of government," Bush said when asked about the federal response at a White House news conference with the president of Iraq. "To the extent the federal government didn’t fully do its job right, I take responsibility," he said. "I want to know what went right and what went wrong."
A ‘responsible’ man would resign when the results of his being irresponsible cost people lives. Oops, I keep forgetting, ‘collateral damage’, ‘collateral damage’, ‘collateral damage’. Ken Wilson Proud Owner of Lord Valve, PMG, John Wheaton, Claude Lucas, Freep the Xenophobe, Chuck, pseudobacker, and the rest of the Union of Rightwing Idiots Needing Explanations (URINE) and, at his own request, Karl Rovershank (aka Lars from Mars) Supporting the Troops at http://www.resisters.ca http://www.criticalhistory.com/
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It’s fairly outrageous to suggest anyone who doesn’t have an abortion is a "Christian loony." That attitude proves that "pro-choice" means "you gotta get an abortion." You aren’t in favor of choice. Besides, how about the divorced? The ones whose relationship was still in place at birth? The ones whose sense of morality comes from something else? Do you believe in infanticide as well? (I mean, after they’re officially born). How about if the kid is 5, 6, 10? Won’t people notice they’re missing? Again, if it can get through, every single mother has her own story. Just like everybody else.
You are right, and some "men" (using the term advisedly) somehow convert that physical "advantage" into a bullshit "moral" one. But these women aren’t just ones who had a child while single. Depending on the demographics, most of them are divorced or were at least in a LTR. I was saying that every single mother has her own story. Because I believe in taking care of those I let into my life, I’d want to know a lot before doing becoming deeply involved, that’s all. My conscience would trouble me very much if a child became attached to me and me to him or her and then things didn’t work out between me and his mom. I took my hit for the team already. I want some happiness for myself, and that would include a woman who exerted herself for my happiness like I would for hers. (sorry, drifting OT for the thread).
Bandaid wrote: > It’s fairly outrageous to suggest anyone who doesn’t have an abortion > is a "Christian loony."
Instead of ranting, read my actual post. That was just one alternative that I proposed. The other was that the mother voluntarily wanted to become a single mother. It’s this latter attitude that I find bizarre, but perhaps a better way of putting it is that she’s not likely to be compatible with me, because our beliefs are greatly different. > That attitude proves that "pro-choice" means > "you gotta get an abortion." You aren’t in favor of choice.
That’s silly. Are you suggesting pro-choiceers believe all pregnancies should end in abortions? I guess you think they’re opposed to the survival of the human race. What I’d say, instead, is that a woman who has a child by herself is unlikely to be able to provide that child with a healthy environment. This is due to a variety of factors, such as (a) the child will lack a male role model, if a boy (b) the mother is likely to have that child early on, therefore disrupting her chances of career growth, therefore spoiling the child’s chances of going to college, etc. Statistics show that children of single mothers are more likely to do drugs, less likely to go to college, etc. Now, I’m sure there are awesome single mothers who are able to make it work, but in most cases I suspect it’s just a case of the condom breaking and the mother making a poor (IMO) choice to keep the child before she is ready. > Besides, > how about the divorced? The ones whose relationship was still in place > at birth?
That’s true. This would be an exception to what I said above. > The ones whose sense of morality comes from something else? > Do you believe in infanticide as well? (I mean, after they’re > officially born). How about if the kid is 5, 6, 10? Won’t people > notice they’re missing?
There’s little point in turning this into a discussion about the ethics of abortion. Suffice it to say, I believe abortion is OK, and infanticide is not. > Again, if it can get through, every single mother has her own story. > Just like everybody else.
Yes, and homeless women have their own stories too, but I’m not going to marry one just on the off-chance that her story is compelling.
Bandaid wrote: > It’s fairly outrageous to suggest anyone who doesn’t have an abortion > is a "Christian loony." That attitude proves that "pro-choice" means > "you gotta get an abortion." You aren’t in favor of choice. Besides, > how about the divorced? The ones whose relationship was still in place > at birth? The ones whose sense of morality comes from something else? > Do you believe in infanticide as well? (I mean, after they’re > officially born). How about if the kid is 5, 6, 10? Won’t people > notice they’re missing? > Again, if it can get through, every single mother has her own story. > Just like everybody else.
I could have saved my post, because you pretty much said it all. — -=Lola Each of you has so much magnetic personality that iron-rich meteorites from distant galaxies are being pulled toward the earth, ensuring the total annihilation of future generations who, I think you’ll agree, have it coming. (Scott Adams)
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Gray Loser wrote: > Bernd Jendrissek wrote: >>—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– >>Hash: SHA1 >>In article <1123989390.155491.11…@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> >>Bandaid <capt.band…@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>I wouldn’t seek it out, but if I fell in love with a woman who had a >>>child, then so be it. >><aol>me too.</aol> Although I might struggle a little harder against >>falling for single mothers than you might (excuse me for reading your >>mind, I’ll get out now). > <wide_eyed_romantic> > If I met a woman who was totally fucking perfect, I’d do it. > </wide_eyed_romantic> > But only then. >>IMHO it’s just too great a responsibility to accept for children who >>aren’t your own. If you weren’t there from the start, well, er, let’s >>just say that if I were to be a father, I’d like to be there from the >>start (just over nine months *before* the start, in fact). > Yes, likewise. It would at least give me the *illusion* of having > control over the child. With someone else’s kids, I’d always have the > niggling feeling that I had no idea what kind of package I was getting. >>I see it as a social contract, and a woman with children just hasn’t >>"paid" her part (to me, specifically). A woman with children who >>manages to "catch" another man to support them has scored a "windfall >>profit". Great for her if she can get it, and kudos to the guy for >>being "nice". That guy isn’t me, according to my plans. > In general, I wouldn’t want to be a "windfall" to any woman, for any > reason. I don’t want a woman marrying me for my money (not that I’m a > millionaire or anything). I don’t want a woman marrying me to get a > green card. > In fact, I don’t even want to marry a woman who’s much worse off than I > am, materially; I’d always have the suspicion that she married me, at > least in part, for material benefit. The only exception I’d make was > if the woman was unaware of my financial situation (or green card > status, or whatever) before we married. Then I wouldn’t mind sharing > — because I’m not a cheapskate, but I do resent being taken advantage > of. If I share with someone, I want it to be due to love, not as a > result of calculating on her part.
Seperate bank accounts. There’s really no reason to share a bank account just because you get married, and if she’s a stay-at-home mom to your kids, then you pay her appropriately and she puts the money in her own bank account, from which she pays her share of the household expenses. — -=Lola Each of you has so much magnetic personality that iron-rich meteorites from distant galaxies are being pulled toward the earth, ensuring the total annihilation of future generations who, I think you’ll agree, have it coming. (Scott Adams)
Gray Loser wrote: > Yes, but there are abortions. My objection to single mothers (as a > potential mate, not morally) is that they have already proven > themselves unwilling, for whatever reason, to get an abortion. This > either means that they *wanted* to be single mothers (which seems > bizarre to me), or that they are Christian loonies. It could also mean > that they too poor to afford an abortion, but that’s not very likely > with the women I meet.
It’s not that black-and-white. Some single women who get pregnant *despite* using birth control (I think the ones who don’t use birth control are fucking messed up in the head) simply choose to carry on with the pregnancy and accept responsibility for it for any number of reasons that have nothing to do with Christianity. For example, some non-religious women simply have an intense and probably biologically-based emotional reaction against abortion. Others may be Pagan and feel that life is a sacred gift. Yet others may decide that since they do want children eventually, that they will step up to the plate and let that time be now. Not least, there is the fact that abortion is painful and can be emotionally traumatising. And you are not even considering the largest group of single mothers; the divorced ones. If you are young, in love, and married, why would you get an abortion? Most young married people don’t foresee the future collapse of their marriage. Furthermore, the birth of a child puts an incredible strain on a marriage and most men who cheat do so either when their wife is pregnant, or during the first two years of their child’s life when their wife is preoccupied and exhausted from taking care of the demanding little beast. In my situation, when I found myself pregnant with Ophelia, I already had two children (the result of planned pregnancies within a marriage) and I knew I was capable of raising another child. I owned a house and had a good job. I was in love with her father (obviously) but I didn’t expect him to move in or marry me… both happened, in time, but had they not I would STILL be a single mother. I don’t really give a damn about guys who wouldn’t have dated me, but I just want to let you know that you need more information about how a single parent got to where they are if you want to make a judgement. Doesn’t mean you should date single mothers; if you don’t want stepkids, don’t go there. — -=Lola Each of you has so much magnetic personality that iron-rich meteorites from distant galaxies are being pulled toward the earth, ensuring the total annihilation of future generations who, I think you’ll agree, have it coming. (Scott Adams)
Bernd Jendrissek wrote: > —–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– > Hash: SHA1 > In article <1123989390.155491.11…@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> > Bandaid <capt.band…@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >I wouldn’t seek it out, but if I fell in love with a woman who had a > >child, then so be it. > <aol>me too.</aol> Although I might struggle a little harder against > falling for single mothers than you might (excuse me for reading your > mind, I’ll get out now).
<wide_eyed_romantic> If I met a woman who was totally fucking perfect, I’d do it. </wide_eyed_romantic> But only then. > IMHO it’s just too great a responsibility to accept for children who > aren’t your own. If you weren’t there from the start, well, er, let’s > just say that if I were to be a father, I’d like to be there from the > start (just over nine months *before* the start, in fact).
Yes, likewise. It would at least give me the *illusion* of having control over the child. With someone else’s kids, I’d always have the niggling feeling that I had no idea what kind of package I was getting. > I see it as a social contract, and a woman with children just hasn’t > "paid" her part (to me, specifically). A woman with children who > manages to "catch" another man to support them has scored a "windfall > profit". Great for her if she can get it, and kudos to the guy for > being "nice". That guy isn’t me, according to my plans.
In general, I wouldn’t want to be a "windfall" to any woman, for any reason. I don’t want a woman marrying me for my money (not that I’m a millionaire or anything). I don’t want a woman marrying me to get a green card. In fact, I don’t even want to marry a woman who’s much worse off than I am, materially; I’d always have the suspicion that she married me, at least in part, for material benefit. The only exception I’d make was if the woman was unaware of my financial situation (or green card status, or whatever) before we married. Then I wouldn’t mind sharing — because I’m not a cheapskate, but I do resent being taken advantage of. If I share with someone, I want it to be due to love, not as a result of calculating on her part.
Bandaid wrote: > There’s many ways to end up a single mother. Some are her fault, some > not. Even some of the ones that were her fault can be excused if she > learned her lesson. There’s nothing like mistakes for teaching > lessons. > I do think that any guy starting to date a single mom has to be more > careful. What’s her story? Why is the dad no longer around? Do you > like her child? How do you feel about kids generally? No question it’s > more complicated.
The thing about being female is that often the "punishment" for having sex is pregnancy. For men, no such "punishment" exists, so men who have engaged in premarital sex with women with whom the relationship didn’t work out are not viewed as having any baggage. — -=Lola Each of you has so much magnetic personality that iron-rich meteorites from distant galaxies are being pulled toward the earth, ensuring the total annihilation of future generations who, I think you’ll agree, have it coming. (Scott Adams)
>Would you become a Step-Father?
Not right now. I’m not ready to be a father just yet. I want to travel, I want to invest, I want to get more established in my career. Maybe if I was ready to completely settle down I’d consider it.
yeah but it is not the guy’s fault the woman was stupid enough to get involved with such a jerk and make his child in the first place. she should have got it right the first time!
hermit crab wrote: > yeah but it is not the guy’s fault the woman was stupid enough to get > involved with such a jerk and make his child in the first place. she > should have got it right the first time!
It’s pretty silly of you to assume that the fathers are invariably jerks. Not only that, but what about when nice guys hook up with total bitches? That happens too. Is it the nice guy’s fault? — -=Lola Each of you has so much magnetic personality that iron-rich meteorites from distant galaxies are being pulled toward the earth, ensuring the total annihilation of future generations who, I think you’ll agree, have it coming. (Scott Adams)
Dolores wrote: > Bandaid wrote: > > There’s many ways to end up a single mother. Some are her fault, some > > not. Even some of the ones that were her fault can be excused if she > > learned her lesson. There’s nothing like mistakes for teaching > > lessons. > > I do think that any guy starting to date a single mom has to be more > > careful. What’s her story? Why is the dad no longer around? Do you > > like her child? How do you feel about kids generally? No question it’s > > more complicated. > The thing about being female is that often the "punishment" for having > sex is pregnancy.
Yes, but there are abortions. My objection to single mothers (as a potential mate, not morally) is that they have already proven themselves unwilling, for whatever reason, to get an abortion. This either means that they *wanted* to be single mothers (which seems bizarre to me), or that they are Christian loonies. It could also mean that they too poor to afford an abortion, but that’s not very likely with the women I meet. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> For men, no such "punishment" exists, so men who have > engaged in premarital sex with women with whom the relationship didn’t > work out are not viewed as having any baggage.
Probably not, although I don’t really care much either way. There’s a chance that she’s truely a nice person and just fell in love with the wrong type of guy, but most likely it’s just the typical bad boy seeking bitch looking for a handout.. but there are plenty of single ones without children like that, too. I don’t see why the child would matter, except that I’m so cheap and live so simply that I probably wouldn’t satisfy the needs of most contemporary american women, child or not.
There’s many ways to end up a single mother. Some are her fault, some not. Even some of the ones that were her fault can be excused if she learned her lesson. There’s nothing like mistakes for teaching lessons. I do think that any guy starting to date a single mom has to be more careful. What’s her story? Why is the dad no longer around? Do you like her child? How do you feel about kids generally? No question it’s more complicated.
—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 In article <1123989390.155491.11…@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Bandaid <capt.band…@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >I wouldn’t seek it out, but if I fell in love with a woman who had a >child, then so be it.
<aol>me too.</aol> Although I might struggle a little harder against falling for single mothers than you might (excuse me for reading your mind, I’ll get out now). IMHO it’s just too great a responsibility to accept for children who aren’t your own. If you weren’t there from the start, well, er, let’s just say that if I were to be a father, I’d like to be there from the start (just over nine months *before* the start, in fact). I see it as a social contract, and a woman with children just hasn’t "paid" her part (to me, specifically). A woman with children who manages to "catch" another man to support them has scored a "windfall profit". Great for her if she can get it, and kudos to the guy for being "nice". That guy isn’t me, according to my plans. – — "I learned to play guitar just to get the girls, and anyone who says they didn’t is just lyin’!" — Willie Nelson —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFC/6mb/FmLrNfLpjMRAl2LAJwKzENsu02ZIzWyTcfDIfTjUXjtxQCgoKRi ZMdHmQ7ejmJOlPBsai6AHe0= =KwdN —–END PGP SIGNATURE—–
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -hermit crab wrote: > Would you become a Step-Father? > Would you marry a woman with 1 or more children? > Would you assume the financial obligation of her children? > Would you support genes of another man’s? > Would you take care of the children as you would your own? (wash them, > feed them, clothe them, drive them to sports practice, etc.) > Would you save a single mother from all this extra work she has to do, > essentially sharing the work load and cutting her work load of caring > for the kids by 50%? > Would you save her from all these extra bills she would have to pay if > she were a single mother rather than marrying a "nice chap like > you?" > Would you do ALL THAT and let her have the PLEASURE of having free DICK > on top of that!?
I’d do it. I couldn’t care two shits about spreading my genes. I’m more worried abou me and my happiness.
NOPE! HELL NO! NEVER!. I don’t have a beef against single mothers. It’s just that I don’t like children, my income is limited, and it’d be totally uncompatible with my lifestyle.
I’d say the same thing if I didn’t have kids. Like I said, I wouldn’t seek it out, but if it happened, it happened. Men protect women and children. They love their mates, and care for the people they let into their lives. Psychos don’t do that. If a guy can’t deal with a woman’s kids, okay; don’t get involved with her, he’s got no obligation to. A man who would get involved with a woman and treat her kids like shit is beneath contempt and no man. At this point in my life, I’d take the deal with a woman that, "If she takes care of me I’ll take care of her." Many years ago when men and women really needed each other to survive, it worked like that. Fair trade, seems to me, if she holds up her end. **There’s** the problem: will she keep her end of the bargain? Too many don’t.
Bandaid wrote: > I’d say the same thing if I didn’t have kids. Like I said, I wouldn’t > seek it out, but if it happened, it happened. > Men protect women and children. They love their mates, and care for > the people they let into their lives. Psychos don’t do that. > If a guy can’t deal with a woman’s kids, okay; don’t get involved with > her, he’s got no obligation to. A man who would get involved with a > woman and treat her kids like shit is beneath contempt and no man.
Yes, I don’t understand the obsession with single mothers. If you can’t handle single mothers, stay the fuck away from single mothers (they’ll thank you for it)! It’s really that simple. I mean, it’s not like one day they are going to wake up married to a single mother and say "oh, fuck! I’m married to a single mom. How the hell did that happen. Is that a tattoo? Owie, is that a Reverse Prince Albert on my dick?". > At this point in my life, I’d take the deal with a woman that, "If she > takes care of me I’ll take care of her." Many years ago when men and > women really needed each other to survive, it worked like that. Fair > trade, seems to me, if she holds up her end. **There’s** the problem: > will she keep her end of the bargain? Too many don’t.
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Would you become a Step-Father? Would you marry a woman with 1 or more children? Would you assume the financial obligation of her children? Would you support genes of another man’s? Would you take care of the children as you would your own? (wash them, feed them, clothe them, drive them to sports practice, etc.) Would you save a single mother from all this extra work she has to do, essentially sharing the work load and cutting her work load of caring for the kids by 50%? Would you save her from all these extra bills she would have to pay if she were a single mother rather than marrying a "nice chap like you?" Would you do ALL THAT and let her have the PLEASURE of having free DICK on top of that!?
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -hermit crab wrote: > Would you become a Step-Father? > Would you marry a woman with 1 or more children? > Would you assume the financial obligation of her children? > Would you support genes of another man’s? > Would you take care of the children as you would your own? (wash them, > feed them, clothe them, drive them to sports practice, etc.) > Would you save a single mother from all this extra work she has to do, > essentially sharing the work load and cutting her work load of caring > for the kids by 50%? > Would you save her from all these extra bills she would have to pay if > she were a single mother rather than marrying a "nice chap like > you?" > Would you do ALL THAT and let her have the PLEASURE of having free DICK > on top of that!?
F*ck no! Single mothers should be shunned like the human debris they are. Unless they are widows, perhaps, although that is very rare. Most women are single moms because the f*cked over some poor guy, and they will do the same to you. Either that or they prefer the bad boys. Let ‘em have the bad boys, and leave them to wallow in their own misery.
There are a lot of beta males out there who would rather wind up in this role than die alone. My cousin, my next door neighbor and a coworker all went this route … and from what I can see their lives are pretty miserable. Also, they all eventually had there own children with these single mothers, but being beta males the children were all inferior to their older half siblings who were sired by alpha-males. So in my cousins case you have the older step daughter who looks like a model, and the ugly dumpy daughter fathered by my cousin. Personally, instant families are not my cup-of-ramen. I would rather these single mothers suffer as much as possible.
Yeah, I would. I wouldn’t seek it out, but if I fell in love with a woman who had a child, then so be it. The woman I’m taking up with isn’t my genes either, and a child is a human being that needs love like everybody else does. Loving people is good for me. I have children already. I don’t need more. But if another one came into my life because I fell in love with his mother, I would love and accept him or her too. I wouldn’t stick with the mother if I couldn’t. It’s okay if you can’t deal with kids, but if you couldn’t love hers, you probably wouldn’t love your own all that much, either.
Bandaid wrote: > Yeah, I would. I wouldn’t seek it out, but if I fell in love with a > woman who had a child, then so be it. The woman I’m taking up with > isn’t my genes either, and a child is a human being that needs love > like everybody else does. Loving people is good for me. > I have children already. I don’t need more. But if another one came > into my life because I fell in love with his mother, I would love and > accept him or her too. I wouldn’t stick with the mother if I couldn’t. > It’s okay if you can’t deal with kids, but if you couldn’t love hers, > you probably wouldn’t love your own all that much, either.
Spoken like a true pussy.
Yes but you already have your genes in another kid so it doesn’t matter to you. Also your wife would have to help take care of your kids as you do likewise to that potential mother you would marry. So that cancels that out. You don’t really count since you already have kids. You’d be a hypocrite to not marry a mother when you are already a father. Only non-fathers opinions I want to hear.
Dolores <weaselpant…@sinmonkey.com> wrote in news:KqOdnUXXmu4HMQvfRVn- g…@comcast.com: > LOL!
Another stab at an Onion-style bit…I must admit, the Onion is much better. — Christ Kills Two, Injures Seven in Abortion Clinic Attack. "He put his hands over Dr. Woodring’s head and told him he forgave him for his sins and then he shot him in the face." –The Onion "Freedom is a dangerous thing, and you might be exposed to things you don’t want to hear,"he said.–Rep. Dennis Baxley, R-Ocala FL
Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote: > In a surprising announcement, White House Press Secretary Scott MacClellan > stated that "Laura Bush has been detained in Guantanomo for the > ‘terrorisation’ of "at least 3 dozen embryos that the President is aware > of, typically by flushing them down the toilet into the sewer system, where > they might become CHUDS." > In other news, NOJ (Nazis for Jesus) has announced a CHUD adoption program, > while Texas lawmakers are working feverishly on a ban on CHUD marriages.
LOL! — -=Lola —————- You’re living in your own private Idaho Living in your own private Idaho Underground like a wild potato. –B52s.
In a surprising announcement, White House Press Secretary Scott MacClellan stated that "Laura Bush has been detained in Guantanomo for the ‘terrorisation’ of "at least 3 dozen embryos that the President is aware of, typically by flushing them down the toilet into the sewer system, where they might become CHUDS." In other news, NOJ (Nazis for Jesus) has announced a CHUD adoption program, while Texas lawmakers are working feverishly on a ban on CHUD marriages.
In a surprising announcement, White House Press Secretary Scott MacClellan stated that "Laura Bush has been detained in Guantanomo for the ‘terrorisation’ of "at least 3 dozen embryos that the President is aware of, typically by flushing them down the toilet into the sewer system, where they might become CHUDS." In other news, NOJ (Nazis for Jesus) has announced a CHUD adoption program, while Texas lawmakers are working feverishly on a ban on CHUD marriages.
Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote: > In a surprising announcement, White House Press Secretary Scott MacClellan > stated that "Laura Bush has been detained in Guantanomo for the > ‘terrorisation’ of "at least 3 dozen embryos that the President is aware > of, typically by flushing them down the toilet into the sewer system, where > they might become CHUDS." > In other news, NOJ (Nazis for Jesus) has announced a CHUD adoption program, > while Texas lawmakers are working feverishly on a ban on CHUD marriages.
LOL! — -=Lola —————- You’re living in your own private Idaho Living in your own private Idaho Underground like a wild potato. –B52s.
Dolores <weaselpant…@sinmonkey.com> wrote in news:KqOdnUXXmu4HMQvfRVn- g…@comcast.com: > LOL!
Another stab at an Onion-style bit…I must admit, the Onion is much better. — Christ Kills Two, Injures Seven in Abortion Clinic Attack. "He put his hands over Dr. Woodring’s head and told him he forgave him for his sins and then he shot him in the face." –The Onion "Freedom is a dangerous thing, and you might be exposed to things you don’t want to hear,"he said.–Rep. Dennis Baxley, R-Ocala FL
I’m going to be nice to people and ask them about their feelings and stuff that they care about (mostly females, that is) and stop saying stupid things. I’ll also pretend to agree with the lame stuff they whine about, ie, "They left 3 dollars on 50." Instead of saying "Maybe they would have left more if you had refilled their drinks instead of tried to get off work five minutes earlier" I might say, "Yeah, they suck." So I’m going to work to engage their emotions more, and not focus on facts, figures, current events, or movie quotes. The thing is, if the females don’t find me attractive, then I’m LJBFed; if they find me attractive, maybe we’ll be physically intimate at some level. My new strategy is that you have to engage them emotionally, then the rest is up to her. Also, I have to pretend that I like drinking and "having fun." Because I really would like to have fun with that, I just don’t. KC
>I’m going to be nice to people and ask them about >their feelings and stuff that they care about >(mostly females, that is) and stop saying stupid >things.
I find that when women complain to you, the last thing they want is for you to offer a solution. Actually, that’s the second last thing. The last thing is for you to sympathise with the other persons’ point of view. Generally they just want someone to say "Aw, that’s too bad." I’m an engineer. I’m solution oriented. So I have a lot of trouble dealing with this. When my female friends come to me for reassurance and don’t like what I have to say, I reply: "If you want someone to sympathise with you, go talk to one of your female friends. I’m a man. I offer solutions."
MrWigglesworth wrote: > >I’m going to be nice to people and ask them about > >their feelings and stuff that they care about > >(mostly females, that is) and stop saying stupid > >things. > I find that when women complain to you, the last thing they want is for > you to offer a solution. Actually, that’s the second last thing. The > last thing is for you to sympathise with the other persons’ point of > view. > Generally they just want someone to say "Aw, that’s too bad."
I find that when ASS guys complain here, the last thing they want is for anyone to offer a solution. Actually, that’s the second last thing. The last thing is for one to sympathise with the other person’s point of view. Generally they just want someone to say "Aw, that’s too bad." and/or "You are 100% right, she is a bitch/slut/whatever." You’re gonna hate me now aren’t you? – Michaela Anti-Labelling Campaign Manager
KC Carter wrote: > I’m going to be nice to people and ask them about their feelings and > stuff that they care about (mostly females, that is) and stop saying > stupid things. I’ll also pretend to agree with the lame stuff they > whine about, ie, "They left 3 dollars on 50." Instead of saying "Maybe > they would have left more if you had refilled their drinks instead of > tried to get off work five minutes earlier" I might say, "Yeah, they > suck." > So I’m going to work to engage their emotions more, and not focus on > facts, figures, current events, or movie quotes. The thing is, if the > females don’t find me attractive, then I’m LJBFed; if they find me > attractive, maybe we’ll be physically intimate at some level. My new > strategy is that you have to engage them emotionally, then the rest is > up to her.
I’ve found one can do all that with a measure of integrity if one really tries. If you do it just to manipulate them though, they might see through you. > Also, I have to pretend that I like drinking and "having fun." Because > I really would like to have fun with that, I just don’t. > KC
It’s none of my business and all (I drink) but I hope you don’t do this drinking thing. I don’t have any good reasons for it, but just wanted to put it out there anyway. – Michaela
—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 In article <8fcd55e1371a96ed3a8321ca6a745…@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com> MrWigglesworth <mrwigglesworth2…@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote: >>I’m going to be nice to people and ask them about their feelings and >>stuff that they care about (mostly females, that is) and stop saying >>stupid things. >I find that when women complain to you, the last thing they want is for >you to offer a solution. Actually, that’s the second last thing. The >last thing is for you to sympathise with the other persons’ point of >view.
Then, to confound the issue, there are books like _Getting To I Do_ which advocate "feminine" women to state their needs as a problem her "masculine" man can solve for her. So instead of saying, "I want to be married" (emasculating as it obsoletes the man’s problem-solving drive), she could say, "I really love spending time with you, but I still feel too vulnerable to have children now." The man’s role is then to figure out that the solution to her "problem" (feeling vulnerable) is to give her more security in the relationship: he may feel *proud* to offer his solution – proposing marriage. She lets it be his idea. >Generally they just want someone to say "Aw, that’s too bad."
I’m wary of indulging a woman’s emotions if they are negative. If I’m going to anchor my presence to any "feelings", I want those to be happy horny feelings. IMHO i a woman *wants* her man to live up to her ideal, she should go to her *girlfriends* for "emotional support". Otherwise, if the man plays that role, it’s out of character for her imprint of "male sexual partner", and she falls out of love with him. So what is the man to do if the women is not a Rules Girl, but an "open and honest woman who doesn’t play games" (read: overwhelms her man with girl-stuff)? Maybe he could just cut short any attempts to extract sympathy from him that her girlfriends would be better suited to give. >I’m an engineer. I’m solution oriented. So I have a lot of trouble >dealing with this. When my female friends come to me for reassurance >and don’t like what I have to say, I reply: >"If you want someone to sympathise with you, go talk to one of your >female friends. I’m a man. I offer solutions."
Excellent. IMHO you’re dealing with this very well. – — I have neither the need, the time, or the inclination to put words into your mouth. You are perfectly capable of damaging your reputation without any help from me. –Richard Heathfield roasts a troll in comp.lang.c —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQFClb0X/FmLrNfLpjMRAs9pAJ4qH+4/hXc7cRvhP8ZKXxTBM1gStgCdHZxa 7XKlYjXeuBvQdwIi6u3aqx8= =oA70 —–END PGP SIGNATURE—–
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -MrWigglesworth wrote: > > I’m going to be nice to people and ask them about > > their feelings and stuff that they care about > > (mostly females, that is) and stop saying stupid > > things. > I find that when women complain to you, the last thing they want is > for you to offer a solution. Actually, that’s the second last thing. > The last thing is for you to sympathise with the other persons’ point > of view. > Generally they just want someone to say "Aw, that’s too bad." > I’m an engineer. I’m solution oriented. So I have a lot of trouble > dealing with this. When my female friends come to me for reassurance > and don’t like what I have to say, I reply: > "If you want someone to sympathise with you, go talk to one of your > female friends. I’m a man. I offer solutions."
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ms Velvet Pnats wrote: > MrWigglesworth wrote: > > > I’m going to be nice to people and ask them about > > > their feelings and stuff that they care about > > > (mostly females, that is) and stop saying stupid > > > things. > > I find that when women complain to you, the last thing they want is > > for you to offer a solution. Actually, that’s the second last thing. > > The last thing is for you to sympathise with the other persons’ point > > of view. > > Generally they just want someone to say "Aw, that’s too bad." > > I’m an engineer. I’m solution oriented. So I have a lot of trouble > > dealing with this. When my female friends come to me for reassurance > > and don’t like what I have to say, I reply: > > "If you want someone to sympathise with you, go talk to one of your > > female friends. I’m a man. I offer solutions." > yeah most girlies are like that. Im a computer person too. Im solution > oriented.
I guess you could say blaming everyone else for everything that’s "wrong" in your life "solution oriented". – Michaela
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Michaela Mackenzie wrote: > Ms Velvet Pnats wrote: > > MrWigglesworth wrote: > > > > I’m going to be nice to people and ask them about > > > > their feelings and stuff that they care about > > > > (mostly females, that is) and stop saying stupid > > > > things. > > > I find that when women complain to you, the last thing they want > > > is for you to offer a solution. Actually, that’s the second last > > > thing. The last thing is for you to sympathise with the other > > > persons’ point of view. > > > Generally they just want someone to say "Aw, that’s too bad." > > > I’m an engineer. I’m solution oriented. So I have a lot of > > > trouble dealing with this. When my female friends come to me for > > > reassurance and don’t like what I have to say, I reply: > > > "If you want someone to sympathise with you, go talk to one of > > > your female friends. I’m a man. I offer solutions." > > yeah most girlies are like that. Im a computer person too. Im > > solution oriented. > I guess you could say blaming everyone else for everything > that’s "wrong" in your life "solution oriented". > – Michaela
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"MrWigglesworth" <mrwigglesworth2…@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in news:8fcd55e1371a96ed3a8321ca6a745aba@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com: > "If you want someone to sympathise with you, go talk to one of your > female friends. I’m a man. I offer solutions."
Principally network solutions, but I also have a side business where I whack people upside da head. — Christ Kills Two, Injures Seven in Abortion Clinic Attack. "He put his hands over Dr. Woodring’s head and told him he forgave him for his sins and then he shot him in the face." –The Onion "Freedom is a dangerous thing, and you might be exposed to things you don’t want to hear,"he said.–Rep. Dennis Baxley, R-Ocala FL
"KC Carter" <newmediapr…@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1117079837.326026.195110@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com: > I’m going to be nice to people and ask them about their feelings and > stuff that they care about (mostly females, that is)
Girls, that’s where cooties come from! Cootie-loving bastard. — Christ Kills Two, Injures Seven in Abortion Clinic Attack. "He put his hands over Dr. Woodring’s head and told him he forgave him for his sins and then he shot him in the face." –The Onion "Freedom is a dangerous thing, and you might be exposed to things you don’t want to hear,"he said.–Rep. Dennis Baxley, R-Ocala FL
Michaela Mackenzie wrote: > – Michaela Anti-Labelling Campaign Manager
What is an Anti-Labelling Campaign Manager? And why is it spelled with two ll’s?
>You’re gonna hate me now aren’t you?
No, I agree. I should have put the added the qualifier "most women", but sometimes I forget. Sometimes I just want reassurance too.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ms Velvet Pnats wrote: > Michaela Mackenzie wrote: >>Ms Velvet Pnats wrote: >>>MrWigglesworth wrote: >>>>>I’m going to be nice to people and ask them about >>>>>their feelings and stuff that they care about >>>>>(mostly females, that is) and stop saying stupid >>>>>things. >>>>I find that when women complain to you, the last thing they want >>>>is for you to offer a solution. Actually, that’s the second last >>>>thing. The last thing is for you to sympathise with the other >>>>persons’ point of view. >>>>Generally they just want someone to say "Aw, that’s too bad." >>>>I’m an engineer. I’m solution oriented. So I have a lot of >>>>trouble dealing with this. When my female friends come to me for >>>>reassurance and don’t like what I have to say, I reply: >>>>"If you want someone to sympathise with you, go talk to one of >>>>your female friends. I’m a man. I offer solutions." >>>yeah most girlies are like that. Im a computer person too. Im >>>solution oriented. >>I guess you could say blaming everyone else for everything >>that’s "wrong" in your life "solution oriented". >>- Michaela > how little do you know or understand about me. > I limited contact with those people and Im much much happierrr. > that wuz teh solution, ms smartee pnats. neener
Likewise. — -=Lola —————- You’re living in your own private Idaho Living in your own private Idaho Underground like a wild potato. –B52s.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ms Velvet Pnats wrote: > Michaela Mackenzie wrote: > > Ms Velvet Pnats wrote: > > > MrWigglesworth wrote: > > > > > I’m going to be nice to people and ask them about > > > > > their feelings and stuff that they care about > > > > > (mostly females, that is) and stop saying stupid > > > > > things. > > > > I find that when women complain to you, the last thing they want > > > > is for you to offer a solution. Actually, that’s the second last > > > > thing. The last thing is for you to sympathise with the other > > > > persons’ point of view. > > > > Generally they just want someone to say "Aw, that’s too bad." > > > > I’m an engineer. I’m solution oriented. So I have a lot of > > > > trouble dealing with this. When my female friends come to me for > > > > reassurance and don’t like what I have to say, I reply: > > > > "If you want someone to sympathise with you, go talk to one of > > > > your female friends. I’m a man. I offer solutions." > > > yeah most girlies are like that. Im a computer person too. Im > > > solution oriented. > > I guess you could say blaming everyone else for everything > > that’s "wrong" in your life "solution oriented". > > – Michaela > how little do you know or understand about me. > I limited contact with those people and Im much much happierrr. > that wuz teh solution, ms smartee pnats. neener
I do believe that we draw the people/situations we do into our lives in order to learn something from those people/situations; that we reflect one another; that what we see in them is a reflection of something within ourselves; that any problems we seem to get from them is about something we need to grow past (detach from). If I turn away from someone but the lesson is not learnt, for instance if I’m not willing to forgive them and I still harbour some form of animosity/feelings of blame/whatever towards them, then I will in all likelihood draw a similar situation into my life again. Over and over. Until the lesson is learnt. But if I am able to detach and think of them fondly and even thank them for the lesson they’ve taught us, then I will have become "whole" in that sense. – Michaela (I’ll keep this name if you don’t mind "a way that is walked until its very end, leads nowhere at all; climb the mountain only to realize that it is a mountain. from its top you cannot see the mountain itself" the first law of the Bene Gesserit — excerpted from Frank Herbert’s "Dune"
John Effty wrote: > Michaela Mackenzie wrote: > > – Michaela Anti-Labelling Campaign Manager > What is an Anti-Labelling Campaign Manager? And why is it spelled with > two ll’s?
It’s about making tinned foods without labels. I’m very into surprise meals and such. There are three "L’s" there. Thanks for asking. (Do I have to insert a smilie or will you know I’m just ravin’ a little?) – Michaela
MrWigglesworth wrote: > >You’re gonna hate me now aren’t you? > No, I agree. I should have put the added the qualifier "most women", but > sometimes I forget. Sometimes I just want reassurance too.
This is an oldie with Grey Winner and me. He likes to point out the degree aspect which I agree with, but I also talk about the levels (because I don’t seem to have a more appropriate label). Some women/men, depending on their personal experience, make up etc. will in certain situations be more or less willing to accept constructive criticism. Defence mechanisms are there for a reason: often we create them in order to protect us from the realities that we couldn’t cope with when we created them. And defence mechanisms are not confined to any one sex. I cannot accept that just women are ‘guilty’ of this behaviour. Nor can I accept that it’s something any one person is ‘guilty’ of. It’s something we pretty much all are capable of at some time or another. I’m waffling, but this is important to me. Let’s hope Bernd starts a thread on it. – Michaela
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Michaela Mackenzie wrote: > Ms Velvet Pnats wrote: > > Michaela Mackenzie wrote: > > > Ms Velvet Pnats wrote: > > > > MrWigglesworth wrote: > > > > > > I’m going to be nice to people and ask them about > > > > > > their feelings and stuff that they care about > > > > > > (mostly females, that is) and stop saying stupid > > > > > > things. > > > > > I find that when women complain to you, the last thing they > > > > > want is for you to offer a solution. Actually, that’s the > > > > > second last thing. The last thing is for you to sympathise > > > > > with the other persons’ point of view. > > > > > Generally they just want someone to say "Aw, that’s too bad." > > > > > I’m an engineer. I’m solution oriented. So I have a lot of > > > > > trouble dealing with this. When my female friends come to me > > > > > for reassurance and don’t like what I have to say, I reply: > > > > > "If you want someone to sympathise with you, go talk to one of > > > > > your female friends. I’m a man. I offer solutions." > > > > yeah most girlies are like that. Im a computer person too. Im > > > > solution oriented. > > > I guess you could say blaming everyone else for everything > > > that’s "wrong" in your life "solution oriented". > > > – Michaela > > how little do you know or understand about me. > > I limited contact with those people and Im much much happierrr. > > that wuz teh solution, ms smartee pnats. neener > I do believe that we draw the people/situations we do into our > lives in order to learn something from those people/situations; > that we reflect one another; that what we see in them is a > reflection of something within ourselves; that any problems > we seem to get from them is about something we need to grow > past (detach from). > If I turn away from someone but the lesson is not learnt, for > instance if I’m not willing to forgive them and I still harbour > some form of animosity/feelings of blame/whatever towards them, > then I will in all likelihood draw a similar situation into my > life again. Over and over. Until the lesson is learnt.
teh lesson was stay away from mean people > But if I am able to detach and think of them fondly and even thank > them for the lesson they’ve taught us, then I will have become > "whole" in that sense.
that is just nonsense. if that wuz teh case Id still be with that drunk I was married to. and no, i haven’t drawn teh same type of person to me again. bottom line is I know the path for my life better than you ever will > – Michaela (I’ll keep this name if you don’t mind > "a way that is walked until its very end, leads nowhere > at all; climb the mountain only to realize that it is a > mountain. from its top you cannot see the mountain itself" > the first law of the Bene Gesserit — excerpted from > Frank Herbert’s "Dune"
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On Wed, 25 May 2005, Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote: :> A copy of an article in the newspaper. I sympathize with his situation; :> everything he does he fails at. -LG (wondering if he’s one of our own) : :Well you’ve failed at being interesting, so you can add that to your list. That’s a lie and you know it, Eerie. He’s shy and withdrawn like a lot of members here. Now get on a plane to Great Britain and recruit that guy into the Misogynist’s Club. =) — LG
Lonely God <Delldude@^Gatewaydaemon^.org> wrote in news:20050528012324.C42887@alii.inets.com: > On Wed, 25 May 2005, Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote: >:> A copy of an article in the newspaper. I sympathize with his >:> situation; everything he does he fails at. -LG (wondering if he’s >:> one of our own) >: >:Well you’ve failed at being interesting, so you can add that to your >:list. > That’s a lie and you know it, Eerie. > He’s shy and withdrawn like a lot of members here.
I was talking about you, who are you talking about? — "You were the chosen one!" "I’m Rick James, bitch!" –Revenge of the Sith, New & Improved.
"Ms Velvet Pnats" <pnats…@trollerama.com> wrote in message news:d7394k$j1v$0@pita.alt.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> paneon wrote: > > > > Well you’ve gotta’ be pretty bonkers to want to go to Afghanistan > > > > to begin with. > > > yeah nobody here looking for hort afghan wimins. =) > > That’s a bit harsh – Afganistan and Lebanon used to be really nice > > places before the wars in the 80’s, and the influx of fundamentalists > > et al. > > (And yes – allegely the women were allegedy quite nice before they > > were forced to start wearing hajib) > it was a joke > a funny > see the =)
I know, I know… I’d just hate to see someone under a fatwa for showing disrespect to the flower of Arabic womanhood. 
Ms Velvet Pnats wrote: > yeah nobody here looking for hort afghan wimins. =)
-’> Quite a few would be okay looking with a shower, shave and something to eat.
> > Well you’ve gotta’ be pretty bonkers to want to go to Afghanistan to > > begin with. > yeah nobody here looking for hort afghan wimins. =)
That’s a bit harsh – Afganistan and Lebanon used to be really nice places before the wars in the 80’s, and the influx of fundamentalists et al. (And yes – allegely the women were allegedy quite nice before they were forced to start wearing hajib)
paneon wrote: > > > Well you’ve gotta’ be pretty bonkers to want to go to Afghanistan > > > to begin with. > > yeah nobody here looking for hort afghan wimins. =) > That’s a bit harsh – Afganistan and Lebanon used to be really nice > places before the wars in the 80’s, and the influx of fundamentalists > et al. > (And yes – allegely the women were allegedy quite nice before they > were forced to start wearing hajib)
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Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote: > "paneon" <pan…@REVERSE.org.lonestar.sdf> wrote in > news:d70jo5$12at$1@bunyip2.cc.uq.edu.au: > > Interesting – here in Australia, the media make David Hicks sound > > like some poor little lost boy that was in the wrong place at the > > wrong time, and happened to get arrested by that horrible US army – > > nothing about animal cruelty at all. I like him less already. > Well you’ve gotta’ be pretty bonkers to want to go to Afghanistan to > begin with.
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Lonely God <Delldude@^Gatewaydaemon^.org> wrote in news:20050524005103.N26205@alii.inets.com: > A copy of an article in the newspaper. I sympathize with his situation; > everything he does he fails at. -LG (wondering if he’s one of our own)
Well you’ve failed at being interesting, so you can add that to your list.
"paneon" <pan…@REVERSE.org.lonestar.sdf> wrote in news:d70jo5$12at$1@bunyip2.cc.uq.edu.au: > Interesting – here in Australia, the media make David Hicks sound like > some poor little lost boy that was in the wrong place at the wrong > time, and happened to get arrested by that horrible US army – nothing > about animal cruelty at all. I like him less already.
Well you’ve gotta’ be pretty bonkers to want to go to Afghanistan to begin with. — Christ Kills Two, Injures Seven in Abortion Clinic Attack. "He put his hands over Dr. Woodring’s head and told him he forgave him for his sins and then he shot him in the face." –The Onion "Freedom is a dangerous thing, and you might be exposed to things you don’t want to hear,"he said.–Rep. Dennis Baxley, R-Ocala FL
> In his manuscript, Abbasi talks of an Australian prisoner he trained > with in Afghanistan referred to as "Golden Boy," whose taste for > tormenting animals might have led to "the reasons why he wanted to hijack > a civilian plane and plow it into a civilian building." > One Australian detainee — David Hicks, a blonde cowboy who left the > outback for Afghanistan — is still being held in Guantanamo and is one of > four charged with various crimes.
Interesting – here in Australia, the media make David Hicks sound like some poor little lost boy that was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and happened to get arrested by that horrible US army – nothing about animal cruelty at all. I like him less already.
X-Posted to: ASL, ASD A copy of an article in the newspaper. I sympathize with his situation; everything he does he fails at. -LG (wondering if he’s one of our own) Ex-Guantanamo Prisoner Was Troubled Youth 22 May 2005 by Paisley Dodds Associated Press Writer LONDON (AP) – A former Guantanamo prisoner says he battled shyness, loneliness and suicide attempts before discovering Islam on a backpacking trip through Europe, according to a handwritten biography that paints a picture of a troubled London youth. Feroz Abbasi’s 100-plus page account is one of the most detailed written personal stories from a former detainee. He submitted it to a tribunal at the U.S. prison camp in Cuba. The document was among nearly 2,000 pages of tribunal testimonies that the U.S. government released to The Associated Press under a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit. Shy around girls and hobbled by low self-esteem, Abbasi’s melancholy memoirs begin in London where he was raised in an Arab family disconnected from its roots. He doesn’t identify his national heritage, but describes himself as a restless boy with an "insecurity complex." Although Abbasi admits training as a militant in Afghanistan, the Briton denies being an al-Qaida member and he was one of the 38 prisoners who were released after military tribunals determined they were not "enemy combatants." U.S. officials alleged the 25-year-old trained in Afghanistan in 2001, volunteering to participate in suicide operations and meeting Osama bin Laden three times. U.S. forces captured him in northern Afghanistan in December 2001 and sent him to Guantanamo shortly afterward. In his biography, Abbasi says he was trailed by loneliness for much of his youth and after he enrolled in college his new life and newly found freedom "seemed futile and useless." It was then that he began studying Zen Buddhism and thinking of becoming a monk in Japan, he wrote. But he lacked the discipline to meditate so he moved onto volunteerism, thinking that by working at charity shops outside London he could ease his restlessness. That didn’t work either. He tried to kill himself three times – the first with "poisoned nicotine," the second with a syringe full of bleach – though he realized he didn’t have any. The third time was with aspirin and alcohol, but he said he couldn’t stand the taste and decided he didn’t want to die. He eventually returned to his studies but his heart wasn’t in it, he said, so he embarked on a backpacking trip that took him to France, Germany, Italy and Switzerland. He said he met a Muslim man who talked about Kashmir, a Himalayan territory that both India and Pakistan claim. Abbasi returned to Britain with a renewed interest in Islam, reading books about Islam and jihad, or holy war, and joining an activist group – S.O.S., or Supporters of Sharia or strict Islamic law – at Finsbury Mosque, one of London’s largest mosques, he says. Local clerics worked with him to cement his faith, something that had been there but hidden – much like the English translation of the Quran at his family’s house, he writes. Meetings at the mosque left him with fliers describing the plights of Muslims in Chechnya. He later became interested in the Taliban’s fight in Afghanistan. "I have never wanted or ever pledged allegiance to Osama bin Laden," writes Abbasi, denying the U.S. allegation that he was a member of al-Qaida. He did, however, believe it was his duty as a Muslim to volunteer for jihad. Calling President Bush’s war on terror a "puppet show," Abbasi says he volunteered for actions against America and learned about guerrilla warfare in Afghanistan. But even there he became disenchanted, complaining of feeling like a "robot soldier." He tried to escape but was instead captured and sent to Guantanamo, he says. In his manuscript, Abbasi talks of an Australian prisoner he trained with in Afghanistan referred to as "Golden Boy," whose taste for tormenting animals might have led to "the reasons why he wanted to hijack a civilian plane and plow it into a civilian building." One Australian detainee — David Hicks, a blonde cowboy who left the outback for Afghanistan — is still being held in Guantanamo and is one of four charged with various crimes.
There was a generously be-bosomed woman in it, so my normal critical faculties were stymied. Impressed also by the animatronics. Which reminds me, I might as well have a look at some of the animatronics devices I saw on the Maplin’s site… OTS
BOING BOING BOING BOING BOING BOING BOING Personally I prefered Jennifer Tilly, though Meg Tilly is stacked to the beejezus. "Adequate for a regiment," as Woody Allen once said. "Existential Coypu Bladder" <omega.po…@ntlworld.com> wrote in news:TxNie.11471$hn5.9429@newsfe2-win.ntli.net: > There was a generously be-bosomed woman in it, so my normal critical > faculties were stymied. Impressed also by the animatronics. Which > reminds me, I might as well have a look at some of the animatronics > devices I saw on the Maplin’s site… > OTS
– Christ Kills Two, Injures Seven in Abortion Clinic Attack. "He put his hands over Dr. Woodring’s head and told him he forgave him for his sins and then he shot him in the face." –The Onion "Freedom is a dangerous thing, and you might be exposed to things you don’t want to hear,"he said.–Rep. Dennis Baxley, R-Ocala FL
On a similar theme, saw my DVDr of "Dial Help" ("Minnacio D’Amore") with Charlotte Lewis–stunning movie, I think just because Charlotte Lewis is in it. Sad but true. "Existential Coypu Bladder" <omega.po…@ntlworld.com> wrote in news:TxNie.11471$hn5.9429@newsfe2-win.ntli.net: > There was a generously be-bosomed woman in it, so my normal critical > faculties were stymied. Impressed also by the animatronics. Which > reminds me, I might as well have a look at some of the animatronics > devices I saw on the Maplin’s site… > OTS
– Christ Kills Two, Injures Seven in Abortion Clinic Attack. "He put his hands over Dr. Woodring’s head and told him he forgave him for his sins and then he shot him in the face." –The Onion "Freedom is a dangerous thing, and you might be exposed to things you don’t want to hear,"he said.–Rep. Dennis Baxley, R-Ocala FL
poet (p…@asarian-host.net) writes: > X-No-Archive: yes > In article d68hku$mb…@theodyn.ncf.ca, Eleonore Beaudoin at > bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA wrote on 5/15/05 17:14: >>> no guilt here. usually write a letter or two a day. sometimes even with a >>> fountain pen. >> Do you mail them…? > yep. haven’t torn up one yet.
Oh, I as not thinking of that, but just of the sort of letter some write like a diary, -or the ones people write then forget to mail:). I know I did much of the latter, not out of not liking my letter or any such thing. Just out of forgetting until the letter was so old it was old news and required a new one written where the same would happen to that new one:). At the time, essentially, I could not afford one stamp. I’d write in hope that 50 cents would fall on my lap:). And the 50 cents would not come before it was old news too. And when that 50 cents came, it ended up used for monthlies. It was ever so frustrating….I then decided to starve myself a bit more for a few months to be able to buy enough stamps to put that frustration awqay for a while. I remember I bought 20 dollars and almost used it all up in no time, then bought another 40 dollars of stamps to add to the rest. I then spent the entire weekend writing to poeple I owed a lette to since so long. My arm hurt all week…BUT then September 11 arrived that very week….I figured I neeeded to change the letters…Many of these persons were depressed, and I knew they would be very affected by the 9-11 thing at the time. So I spent the next weekend wrewriting everything. I only had the envelopes to address and stamps to put on by Monday morning. I put all letters and envelopes and stamps in a bag, ***with my address book***. I left for work thinking I would address the envelopes during my break and lunch half hour. As I left home, I grabbed the kitchen catcher garbage bag… Walked to the bin on my way to the car….Ended up at work with no bag, and realized I had thrown the stamps, letters, envelopes, and even address book (two of them actually) in the bin! I called the janitor of the building and asked if they;d be so nice as to go grab the orange bag sitting very cleanly on top of the bin. NBo do, they said: the truck jut passed to empty the bin… Thinking that maybe they just feared going to play in grabages, I races back home, risking my job. Got hee to see that indeed, the grbage truck had passed. I rememebr I had to rush back sooo fast to work…I walked in my flat, grabbed a pillow on the couch, shoved it in my mouth and howld the longest shout ever, to try and empty the despair and fristration: I had lost all addresses in those *two* address books…I had bought a tird, I remember now, and also planned to transcribed what addresses were still active in the new book, which I had thrown with the old two address books, the stamps, the envelopeds the written letters, the work…. Took me a few eek ends before sitting down tow rite again…And again I had no stamps….Besides, I had only an address or two on incoming snail mail that layed here or there. Many had no adress on them… Given my delays in replying, already, most were giving up, iagining I just did not care about people. With 9-11 that had happened, I knew they’d be lower than ever, and gave God a longer speech than ever. Some of them I never heard from after… I’ll never know if some among suicided. <I swear, I’ll never be hungry again;-)> > > > > — > For more information about this posting service, contact: > h…@asarian-host.net — for all info about our server. > If you want an anonymous account, visit our sign-up page: > https://asarian-host.net/cgi-bin/signup.cgi
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -OB wrote: > 3. Yes, I was once a DJ. <hangs head in shame> A typical set back in > ‘82 Spain as far as I remember was: > (a) before the first customers arrived: silly stuff like Frank Sinatra > (b) "Techno" (Human League, Depeche Mode, Haircut 100 etc) > (c) disco (Earth Wind And Fire, Chic, etc) interspersed with popular > stuff (Imagination, Boyz Town Gang’s version of "Can’t take my eyes > Offa’s Dyke" about 10 million times, etc) > (d) Spanish pop (Mecano, Alaska y los Pegamoides, Tequila, Paloma San > Basilio) > (e) about half an hour of smooch > (f) Barbara Streisand and Someone Else singing "Enough is Enough" > (g) more disco > (h) when people were getting visibly drunk, a little HM (air guitar > time) > (i) salsa for the stragglers and hard-to-pair-off > (j) The Birdie Song and Stars on 45 to clear the place > Ay, them were the days.
HAHHAHAH!! i never would have thought you’d cater to such tastes…you were blatantly only doing it for the chicks! well, its better than my brief DJing career… ….which consisted mostly of playing at a friend’s parties; getting stoned and playing aphex twin, detroit techno (a little different to haircut 100) and experimental/dark drum and bass music to a bunch of vet student chicks and rugby players who kept requesting ABBA and only wanted to dance in groups, drink, laugh and create some barely hidden sexual student fantasy involving threesomes and/or lesbian activity after they were drunk enough, before their professional, respectable bourgeois lives started. but i can still remember the satisfaction of seeing teh incomprehension and annoyance on tehir faces when sounds like jet engines crashing around a sound studio came out of the speakers. loud.
hullo chlo, yes, i am in UK, though i am of mongrel anglophonic new-world heritage. i’m sorry about the queen, but she does like to get out and about. Eddie Izzard (the stand-up comedian) has some great lines about her wanderings around teh world opening buildings and glamming up staid parties by her mere status: – Queen [arms crossed in regal fashion, face showing inbred but good-natured curiosity]: "hello. and what do yooouuuu do?" – Gentleman [humbled]: "I’m a plumber, your majesty" – Queenie: "Wonderful! What on eaaaaaarrth is that?" or so. and he also suggested, that in order for her to gain some (self-)respect and proper old fashioned earthy honour, she should defend herself from an attacking "crazy dog", mostly by swinging her handbag. the whole monarchy is fishy. the funny thing is, people who are just born into power and wealth i imagine more human sometimes than the assholes that seek it out.
1. Chloe was right, I’d forgotten I had a letter-writing splurge back in was it 1996? 1998? something with a 1 in it anyway. 2. A few years ago while in Barcelona I had a visit from former ASL doyenne Liz, who spent some time writing postcards to friends and family. These postcards were clearly dated and said things like "having a lovely time in Barcelona, see you soon". As a joke, she told me to hang on to them for a month or so before sending, so she could wax lyrical about the iniquitous delays of the Spanish postal service when they were received. The postcards then slipped down behind some books on my shelf and were forgotten about. Last January I found them again while packing up books in preparation for leaving. I told St Yan to post them "when she remembered" and headed off for South America. Possibility #1: St Yan has posted them and there are now some puzzled people in the UK wondering why these holiday postcards took maybe three or four years to arrive. Possibility #2: St Yan now has them in her flat. She will steadfastly forget to post them. Eventually they will be passed on to someone else when she has to leave in a hurry. They will finally reach their intended recipients about ten or fifteen years from now. Someone will have scrawled at the bottom of one of them, in untidy Spanish, "sorry about the delay but it was the sangria". 3. Yes, I was once a DJ. <hangs head in shame> A typical set back in ‘82 Spain as far as I remember was: (a) before the first customers arrived: silly stuff like Frank Sinatra (b) "Techno" (Human League, Depeche Mode, Haircut 100 etc) (c) disco (Earth Wind And Fire, Chic, etc) interspersed with popular stuff (Imagination, Boyz Town Gang’s version of "Can’t take my eyes Offa’s Dyke" about 10 million times, etc) (d) Spanish pop (Mecano, Alaska y los Pegamoides, Tequila, Paloma San Basilio) (e) about half an hour of smooch (f) Barbara Streisand and Someone Else singing "Enough is Enough" (g) more disco (h) when people were getting visibly drunk, a little HM (air guitar time) (i) salsa for the stragglers and hard-to-pair-off (j) The Birdie Song and Stars on 45 to clear the place Ay, them were the days. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -john tha revelator wrote: > well, i suppose postcards don’t count? i can send shitloads of > postcards (all bizzare, and some almost as lengthy as a short letter) > on a long holiday. > so, as for letters, ummm…i think i sent one with some CDs to my > sister in new zealand last month. actually, no, i didn’t. so it would > have to be the year before ,to my sister, when i sent her previous > birthday CDs. > damn, i used to love writing letters. my take is that they are now > limited to "relationship letters" when a more serious or romantic tone > is required. allegedly. > and OB, speaking of 1982, and S; didnt you DJ in said provincial town? > or am i merging neurons? what was a typical OB set? > JTR
"john tha revelator" (streamsof…@indiatimes.com) writes: > well, i suppose postcards don’t count? i can send shitloads of > postcards (all bizzare, and some almost as lengthy as a short letter) > on a long holiday. > so, as for letters, ummm…i think i sent one with some CDs to my > sister in new zealand last month. actually, no, i didn’t. so it would > have to be the year before ,to my sister, when i sent her previous > birthday CDs. > damn, i used to love writing letters. my take is that they are now > limited to "relationship letters" when a more serious or romantic tone > is required. allegedly.
Oh no, they don’t! They already invaded cyberland with their peudo-romatic stuff, they ain’t gonna ruin *my* snail mail, nah!:):) I am trying to cover my walls at work wiht postcards, flowers cards (hint hint? Hehehe) and all that kind of stuff. Of course, nothing is as boring as a postcard from Ottawa. The piccies are the same since 1967 for sure:) Last postcard I had was this late winter, from Florida, where someone thougth funny to send me a postcard of Mickey Mouse…made in Canada (sic). Found it hilarious: a made-in-Canada Florida Disney Wolrd card! Mppft:) Are you in the UK??? Why can’t you keep your queen there??? She’s in Canada today…. Our government almost had a non-confidence vote (152 to 152, plus one on the liberal minority government’s side from the House of Commons’ President, where tradition has it that he must then vote for the party in power. However…The liberals bought a conservative MP by making her directly a minister of about the biggest department there is, so that they would win the vote after being accused of fraud and raketeering on the worst scale the country had heard of so far (billions). Needless to say that the Queen’s visit then looks very foshy to us Quebecers… It was proven that the last seperation referendum vote was bought by the liberals (sic) where rumor has it that Quebecers would only be waiting for the next lections to seperate. Therfore their despair in buying a conservative and not even winning their confidence motion, save for the president of the assembly voting to make the balance tip in the liberal favour. For a minute, I feared they would have the Queen come to vote. That would have practically been pouring gas on the fire…. I guess she now can pack her speech and go home:) Oh, had I been that conservative woman!! I’d have done so much better. I’d have moved on with the liberals…then saprise saprise, I’d have voted *against* them, hehehe, and throw the government out on my very own, shopwing them how it is done, nah!:) She missed a completely unique chance to make history and to make it smart, clean, brillian, better. Oh well. At least she left to really be where she belongs: with the corrupted bunch. Ooops. Should not say that:) She is my new minister of all things, hehehe:) Oh well. Bored. Send me a postcard….:) Keep the Queen:) —
well, i suppose postcards don’t count? i can send shitloads of postcards (all bizzare, and some almost as lengthy as a short letter) on a long holiday. so, as for letters, ummm…i think i sent one with some CDs to my sister in new zealand last month. actually, no, i didn’t. so it would have to be the year before ,to my sister, when i sent her previous birthday CDs. damn, i used to love writing letters. my take is that they are now limited to "relationship letters" when a more serious or romantic tone is required. allegedly. and OB, speaking of 1982, and S; didnt you DJ in said provincial town? or am i merging neurons? what was a typical OB set? JTR
"The truth? You can’t handle the truth!" OTS "Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia" <n…@newb.com> wrote in message news:Xns96575B40E49D4newbnewbcom@68.12.19.6… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "OB" <nevilemo…@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1116171586.964452.54240 > @g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > > Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote: > >> massages, misstresses (she won’t mind, they’re very understanding > > down > >> south) > > <wipes coffee from keyboard> > IMO, all women are more or less insane (but don’t tell them, they can’t > handle the truth).
That’s interesting. Are you as old-fashioned as me? Or romantic? Or what? Sumi
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Handwritten letters? Love them. Every now and then I write one in black ink and enjoy its flow from the fountain pen into the loops of my handwriting on the coloured paper. Then I perfume it or glue a few dried flowers in its right top corner – forgetmenots and daisies, etc. – and I take the bicycle into the village, go to the post-office, then have a little chat with a friend behind the counter, post my snail mail and look forward to the answer which will arrive a few weeks or months later – also by snail mail These are those true ceremonies I like. Anyone who remembers my invitations into the bathtub full with champagne and rose petals? Ach, things have become a bit duller in this newsgroup in the meantime 
Sumi
poet (p…@asarian-host.net) writes: > X-No-Archive: yes > In article d67ij1$67…@theodyn.ncf.ca, Eleonore Beaudoin at > bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA wrote on 5/15/05 8:24: >> How long since you poeple last handwrote a letter and mailed it? > today.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -poet (p…@asarian-host.net) writes: > X-No-Archive: yes > In article d68bbg$j3…@theodyn.ncf.ca, Eleonore Beaudoin at > bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA wrote on 5/15/05 15:27: >> poet (p…@asarian-host.net) writes: >>> In article d67ij1$67…@theodyn.ncf.ca, Eleonore Beaudoin at >>> bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA wrote on 5/15/05 8:24: >>>> How long since you poeple last handwrote a letter and mailed it? >>> today. >> I din mean to make anyone feel THAT guilty about it;-);-):) > no guilt here. usually write a letter or two a day. sometimes even with a > fountain pen.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: > "Mz PlopppeeePnatsss" (pnats…@trollerama.com) writes: > > Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: > >> A lil question. > >> How long since you poeple last handwrote a letter and mailed it? > >> — > > A couple weeks ago. > Let’s see. Who coudl that ever have been to…… > Mark??;-)
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poet wrote: > X-No-Archive: yes > In article d68hku$mb…@theodyn.ncf.ca, Eleonore Beaudoin at > bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA wrote on 5/15/05 17:14: > >> no guilt here. usually write a letter or two a day. sometimes even > with a >> fountain pen. > > Do you mail them…? > yep. haven’t torn up one yet.
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"Mz PlopppeeePnatsss" (pnats…@trollerama.com) writes: > Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: >> A lil question. >> How long since you poeple last handwrote a letter and mailed it? >> — > A couple weeks ago.
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Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: > A lil question. > How long since you poeple last handwrote a letter and mailed it? > —
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"OB" <nevilemo…@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1116171586.964452.54240 @g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote: >> massages, misstresses (she won’t mind, they’re very understanding > down >> south) > <wipes coffee from keyboard>
IMO, all women are more or less insane (but don’t tell them, they can’t handle the truth).
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"OB" (nevilemo…@yahoo.com) writes: > Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: >> A lil question. >> How long since you poeple last handwrote a letter and mailed it? > I think the last time I hand-wrote a letter was in 1982. I used to > write to Y and to family while I was in S. > Needless to say, when you live in Ecuador using the mail service is a > sign of eccentricity bordering on lunacy. They don’t have "postmen" > here. You have to know someone has written to you and make daily visits > to the central post office to pester them until it arrives. According > to my sources, letters generally take about two months to arrive, > unless they look as if they might contain money, in which case they > take the half-life of Carbon 14 multiplied by the estimated age of the > universe divided by seven and raised to the power of your shoe size.
Lets leave my shos size out of this. For your info, I know for a fact you wrote handwriten letters more recently than that. Have you forgotten the one handed to A.. among othewr things, who used to teach with you a few years back? And I still have somwhere a 32 pager of yours:) Written from Segovia, in the S…summer:) I *think* that was 96, so makes it 14 yrars more recent, NOT counting the one to A which was the following fall me thinks or the year after that… So let’s say 97. Though I could not swear you did handwrite the oen to A, I would take it that you’d not type a love letter;-) —
Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote: > massages, misstresses (she won’t mind, they’re very understanding down > south)
<wipes coffee from keyboard>
"OB" <nevilemo…@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1116169915.653597.234120 @o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote: >> "OB" <nevilemo…@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1116164895.245202.281550 >> @g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: >> > According >> > to my sources, letters generally take about two months to arrive, >> > unless they look as if they might contain money, in which case they >> > take the half-life of Carbon 14 multiplied by the estimated age of > the >> > universe divided by seven and raised to the power of your shoe > size. >> You know, you could probably become wealthy by Ecuadorean standards > just by >> writing optioned screenplays for Hollywood crackhead producers. > "Great screenplay! Your cheque’s in the post…"
Based on experience? I think I meant something a little more practical, such as having stuff for ’show’ and then getting money up front to write more. I just find it hard to believe that you can’t do something a bit more lucrative–just sell your soul dammit, and before you know it you and your South American beauty will be living it like druglords– massages, misstresses (she won’t mind, they’re very understanding down south), you know, the works.
Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote: > "OB" <nevilemo…@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1116164895.245202.281550 > @g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > > According > > to my sources, letters generally take about two months to arrive, > > unless they look as if they might contain money, in which case they > > take the half-life of Carbon 14 multiplied by the estimated age of the > > universe divided by seven and raised to the power of your shoe size. > You know, you could probably become wealthy by Ecuadorean standards just by > writing optioned screenplays for Hollywood crackhead producers.
"Great screenplay! Your cheque’s in the post…"
"OB" <nevilemo…@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1116164895.245202.281550 @g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > According > to my sources, letters generally take about two months to arrive, > unless they look as if they might contain money, in which case they > take the half-life of Carbon 14 multiplied by the estimated age of the > universe divided by seven and raised to the power of your shoe size.
You know, you could probably become wealthy by Ecuadorean standards just by writing optioned screenplays for Hollywood crackhead producers. Sounds like the name of new reality show on Fox. — Christ Kills Two, Injures Seven in Abortion Clinic Attack. "He put his hands over Dr. Woodring’s head and told him he forgave him for his sins and then he shot him in the face." –The Onion "Freedom is a dangerous thing, and you might be exposed to things you don’t want to hear,"he said.–Rep. Dennis Baxley, R-Ocala FL
A lil question. How long since you poeple last handwrote a letter and mailed it? —
Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: > A lil question. > How long since you poeple last handwrote a letter and mailed it?
I think the last time I hand-wrote a letter was in 1982. I used to write to Y and to family while I was in S. Needless to say, when you live in Ecuador using the mail service is a sign of eccentricity bordering on lunacy. They don’t have "postmen" here. You have to know someone has written to you and make daily visits to the central post office to pester them until it arrives. According to my sources, letters generally take about two months to arrive, unless they look as if they might contain money, in which case they take the half-life of Carbon 14 multiplied by the estimated age of the universe divided by seven and raised to the power of your shoe size.
Just checking out the nut house,,, Yep not much has changed. Laters,, Fire
On Fri, 13 May 2005, it was written: :Just checking out the nut house,,, Yep not much has changed. : :Laters,, : :Fire Hey Fire! Went on any good dates lately? — "…George and I are complete opposites – I’m quiet, he’s talkative; I’m introverted, he’s extroverted. I can pronounce ‘nuclear.’ " - Laura Bush at White House Correspondents’ Association dinner, April 30 2005 http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2005-05-01-laura-bush-comments_x.htm
"FiRe" <Ask Me> wrote in news:frSdnYeHL8M6iBjfRVn-oA@comcast.com: > Just checking out the nut house,,, Yep not much has changed. > Laters,, > Fire
& out. — Christ Kills Two, Injures Seven in Abortion Clinic Attack. "He put his hands over Dr. Woodring’s head and told him he forgave him for his sins and then he shot him in the face." –The Onion "Freedom is a dangerous thing, and you might be exposed to things you don’t want to hear,"he said.–Rep. Dennis Baxley, R-Ocala FL